Re: IETF Hackathon at IETF 92, March 21-22, Dallas, TX

"Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <> Wed, 25 February 2015 20:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF Hackathon at IETF 92, March 21-22, Dallas, TX
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Hi Warren,

Fair questions. There are now answers to several of these on the community
page created for the Hackathon.
Please have a look and feel free to post any other questions or thoughts.


On 2/25/15, 10:05 AM, "Warren Kumari" <> wrote:

>On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Melinda Shore <>
>> On 2/25/15 8:04 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
>>> But the expectation that someone will approach you is kind of absurd.
>> That's nonsense, Ted.  Nobody's saying "You didn't approach *me*".
>> What we're saying is that there are questions about where the list
>> of technologies came from, particularly given that 1) they're for
>> the most part technologies that have not been adopted as IETF
>> deliverables, and 2) they appear more aligned with Cisco's efforts
>> than with anything the IETF is doing.  If Cisco wants to have a
>> Cisco hackathon coinciding with an IETF meeting, awesome, but
>> let's not pretend this is an IETF event.
>> Who's paying for the room, the network, the food, the ... ?
>> I think an *IETF* hackathon is a great idea.  But between the
>> extremely late scheduling and the really weird content, this looks
>> like kind of a mess.  Might have made more sense to wait until
>> summer, give the thing a better chance of success because of
>> better planning.
>Yup - I initially stuck up for the idea, and still think that the
>*idea* is a good one, but I'm becoming worries about the execution.
>The announcement page has a link to a "discussion forum", which
>required me hunting down my login.
>I was hoping for more details there, but no luck...
>I am still glad that someone is organizing this (flawed though it
>might be), but I'd like to understand:
>1: *who* exactly is organizing this? (Is it Cisco? The IETF? A joint
>2: If the IETF getting sponsorship for this?
>3: How are the projects being chosen? And by whom?
>4: Is this under Note Well? Does Cisco own any IPR generated? Or the
>IETF? or individuals?
>5: This says it is being done at the Fairmont, and I'm assuming there
>will be a need for network. Have the organizers arranged for this?
>(Hint: I don't think the NOC team has heard anything about this...)
>> Melinda
>I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
>idea in the first place.
>This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
>regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
>of pants.
>   ---maf