Re: NomCom 2019 Call for Community Feedback

Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 05 November 2019 16:29 UTC

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From: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 11:29:16 -0500
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Subject: Re: NomCom 2019 Call for Community Feedback
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Cc: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, "nomcom-chair-2019@ietf.org" <nomcom-chair-2019@ietf.org>, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
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On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:52 AM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder what people think would break if we moved to 5 AD's per area,
> and they could divide the WG's and IESG concalls amongst themselves?
> >
>
> Why stop there, how about one AD per working group?
>
> I hope this helps makes it clear that more authority should go to the w.g.
> chairs, adding more AD won’t scale.   The NomCom needs to be selecting
> people who are not the best technical experts in an area, but who know
> enough to make sure that adequate review has been done in the working
> groups, verify directorate reviews, and that last call comments have been
> addressed.   They don’t need to do detailed technical reviews themselves.
>  They especially don’t need to do editorial reviews.
>

For editorial problems, I sent some documents back to the working group to
figure out.  Sometimes with prolific authors, people get very used to the
writing style and are able to read it without problems.  When it gets to
the AD, the problems are sometimes more clear.  Just pointing this out and
sending it back was enough to resolve those issues, so yes, delegating. :-)

AD reviews may be more in-depth, but cross area should just be focused on
what the particular AD should be looking to see in documents from other
areas IMO. While I did read most documents, you figure out where skimming
is probably fine and learn where you may catch things of importance.  It
becomes less work if you do this after a few months in the job.  A few
calls of 800 pages to read really help you figure this out faster :-)

Kathleen


> This might also allow the ADs to spend more time on working group charters
> to insure that the working group has the appropriate scope.
>
> Bob
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Best regards,
Kathleen