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Re: [rfc-i] Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 27 October 2020 17:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 13:59:39 -0400
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On Oct 27, 2020, at 1:54 PM, John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:
> So far, nobody has even attempted to justify this directive, although a zoo of straw men has been paraded through the subsequent follow ups. 

Actually, John, I have explained the reasoning behind this twice, as have several other people. If the IETF provides a pagination tool, then people will use it and assume that the page numbers rendered in their version of the document are good to use in referencing the document.

Whether this is a valid concern or not, I can’t say, but that is the justification.

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