Re: Proposed Update to Note Well
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 22 June 2012 17:16 UTC
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On 6/22/12 11:07 AM, Stephan Wenger wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 6.22.2012 09:31 , "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote: > >> On 6/22/12 10:03 AM, Stephan Wenger wrote: >>> >>> "If you are aware of a patent controlled by your employer >>> or sponsor that is related to your contribution, then you must >>> disclose that patent." >> >> Why is it limited to employers and sponsors? I might control it myself >> directly, or just know that a patent covers it (BCP79, Section 6.1.1). > > Section 6.1.1 requires the IPR being controlled by employer or sponsor. That's not how I read 6.1.1. Any Contributor who reasonably and personally knows of IPR meeting the conditions of Section 6.6 which the Contributor believes Covers or may ultimately Cover his or her Contribution.... Nothing there about employers or sponsors. ...or which the Contributor reasonably and personally knows his or her employer or sponsor may assert against Implementing Technologies based on such Contribution, .... That's one branch in the decision tree, but not the only one. ...must make a disclosure in accordance with this Section 6. > The part you are referring to is gated by section 6.6, which is where > The employer or sponsor control is required. Not as I see it ("by the individual"): IPR disclosures under Sections 6.1.1. and 6.1.2 are required with respect to IPR that is owned directly or indirectly, by the individual or his/her employer or sponsor (if any) or that such persons otherwise have the right to license or assert. > That leaves us with > > If you are aware of a patent controlled by your employer > or sponsor that is related to your contribution, then you must > disclose that patent." It needs to say "you or..." > "Disclose that *patent*" instead of "disclose that *fact*", because we > Do not want to see disclosures suing "I'm aware of IPR covering my > Contribution". Right. :) > My final word for today as well; see you all tomorrow on this fine list :-) Mine too. I hope. :) /psa
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