IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: Self-moderation

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Mon, 17 August 2020 20:19 UTC

Return-Path: <cabo@tzi.org>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BEB3A109A for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:19:45 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ND3PHk89wpUC for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4D8C3A1062 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [172.16.42.100] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BVll05wQ2zyfw; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:19:40 +0200 (CEST)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\))
Subject: Re: Self-moderation
From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
In-Reply-To: <A5CE4192E3FE9B8606D89231@PSB>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:19:40 +0200
Cc: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 619388380.334787-5243aad5ed7307526f6d1127490b1f6b
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <55344201-34BD-4496-B06A-A509F5883E5E@tzi.org>
References: <6AA0BCBB-D95B-4036-B94D-5E79E7B94D75@ietf.org> <F15E387D-9FDC-4A76-8002-78B85F6D16BE@nohats.ca> <CABcZeBNitWbdPO4Y2WfCzjy10Z+s27px6cGT1uRHmtGHa5iX+Q@mail.gmail.com> <ed227fd5-3277-d7a9-f93d-b259944009d6@huitema.net> <591c0ee0-d444-3e8b-e4bd-5a9f6ffb518e@gmail.com> <CABmDk8mG=c7+uy+2jbtX5hedURy1b9w0nLQ8b9deU=XHyDDzww@mail.gmail.com> <CAKKJt-eOcFopeyKyQMA8540P-GwPbqrO-0eHuJrqUP3fKDJPZw@mail.gmail.c om> <CAHw9_iKQC7xp-qGmyhUmLof0yujXHVXw3vt1KuJLqxhisPCjZw@mail.gmail.com> <A5CE4192E3FE9B8606D89231@PSB>
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/B9UpuRrMveaMLxCPJ7lNvmuvQQo>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 20:19:46 -0000

On 2020-08-17, at 20:19, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps if the mailing list system returned messages above, say,
> the fifth in an hour on a given thread or the tenth on a given
> list in 24 hours 

Unfortunately, the software cannot determine whether progress is being made (when I would get quite angry at mailing list software that is trying to slow things down) or whether people are bloviating.  If there were a simple way for a reader to report bloviation to the mailing list system, then it could perform better actions (“1799 readers appear to believe your last three messages did not contribute to progress, do you maybe want to slow down a bit?”…).
(And here we enter the whole area of proper CSCW vs. mailing lists…  I hope not.)

Grüße, Carsten

v2.46.0 | Report a Bug | By Email | System Status