From nobody Mon Aug 17 13:19:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BEB3A109A for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ND3PHk89wpUC for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4D8C3A1062 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.100] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BVll05wQ2zyfw; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:19:40 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: Self-moderation From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:19:40 +0200 Cc: Warren Kumari , Spencer Dawkins at IETF , ietf X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 619388380.334787-5243aad5ed7307526f6d1127490b1f6b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <55344201-34BD-4496-B06A-A509F5883E5E@tzi.org> References: <6AA0BCBB-D95B-4036-B94D-5E79E7B94D75@ietf.org> <591c0ee0-d444-3e8b-e4bd-5a9f6ffb518e@gmail.com> To: John C Klensin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 20:19:46 -0000 On 2020-08-17, at 20:19, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 > Perhaps if the mailing list system returned messages above, say, > the fifth in an hour on a given thread or the tenth on a given > list in 24 hours=20 Unfortunately, the software cannot determine whether progress is being = made (when I would get quite angry at mailing list software that is = trying to slow things down) or whether people are bloviating. If there = were a simple way for a reader to report bloviation to the mailing list = system, then it could perform better actions (=E2=80=9C1799 readers = appear to believe your last three messages did not contribute to = progress, do you maybe want to slow down a bit?=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6). (And here we enter the whole area of proper CSCW vs. mailing lists=E2=80=A6= I hope not.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten