Re: Community Input Requested on Trustees' Intent to Renounce "IETF Secretariat" Trademark

"cdel.firsthand.net" <cdel@firsthand.net> Fri, 04 April 2014 22:09 UTC

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From: "cdel.firsthand.net" <cdel@firsthand.net>
Subject: Re: Community Input Requested on Trustees' Intent to Renounce "IETF Secretariat" Trademark
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 23:08:51 +0100
To: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>
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I was about to ask under what classes IETF registrations are held? 


Christian de Larrinaga


> On 4 Apr 2014, at 22:57, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2014, at 3:45 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --On Friday, April 04, 2014 14:19 -0400 Ray Pelletier
>> <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> It sounds as if this will open the door to my being able to
>>>> advertise myself as the IETF Secretariat.  Or even the ITU's
>>>> being able to.  Yes?
>>> 
>>> You could certainly use "Secretariat" but you cannot use
>>> "IETF Secretariat" without violating the "IETF"
>>> trademark.
>> 
>> Ray, I assume that if Dave (or someone else) set themselves up
>> as the International Elegant Tophat Fabrication Society, made at
>> least a perfunctory effect to establish themselves as being in
>> that business, established a business unit that they called
>> their "Secretariat", and then advertised the result as the "IETF
>> Secretariat", things could get dicey.  Given the different line
>> of business, they might even be able to take out a trademark on
>> "IETF Secretariat".  Right?
> 
> The "risk" applies to IETF in addition to IETF Secretariat.  
> We don't own IETF in every class of goods and services. 
> IETF bananas, top hats and car tires can be sold and  
> that won’t violate our IETF trademark  
> 
> People aren’t going to be confused between the two,
> just like they aren’t for Apple computers and Apple records.
> 
> Ray
>> 
>> Now, whether having a trademark registered as "IETF Secretariat"
>> with whatever line of business the IETF and IETF Secretariat
>> claim to be in would offer significant protection against that
>> attack is far outside my knowledge or experience.
>> 
>> I have enough trouble imagining someone going to the trouble to
>> attempt the above as an attack that I think it would probably be
>> foolish to worry about it, but it is, in principle, the
>> difference between "no risk" and "no risk worth worrying about".
>> 
>>   john
>