Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea

Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv> Thu, 22 July 2010 00:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF privacy policy - still a bad idea
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:18:27 -0400
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Dear Dave;

On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote:

>
>
> On 7/21/2010 3:33 PM, John Levine wrote:
>>> You appear to be concerned about exposing the IETF to risk by the
>>> adoption of a privacy policy (but apologies if I am misunderstanding
>>> the concern you expressed).  The absence of a privacy policy,  
>>> however,
>>> actually increases risk to the IETF in at least three ways:
>>
>>  ... none of which applies since
>>
>> a) the IETF has no formal legal existence
>
> With creation of the IETF Trust, that is no longer true.  There also  
> have been comments from one or another attorney that the absence of  
> formal legal formation is not the same as no "formal" legal  
> existence.  All of which at least suggests, once again, that we  
> ought to leave legal pronouncements to attorneys (and even then,  
> seek a second opinion.)
>
>
>> b) the IETF has no employees
>
> Well, again, there's a formal correctness to that statement and a  
> practical incorrectness.

We come close - from BCP 101
The IASA consists initially of a single full-time ISOC employee, the  
IETF Administrative Director (IAD), who is entitled to act on behalf  
of the IASA at the direction of the IAOC.
>
>
>> c) the IETF signs no contracts
>
> I was under the impression that the IAOC now signs the event  
> contracts. But perhaps that's not correct.

ISOC signs any such contracts.

Regards
Marshall

>
>
>> It would be helpful for someone, anyone, to explain in terms specific
>> to the IETF what a privacy policy will accomplish.
>
> Ahh, well.  That's a good idea, not matter your earlier assertions.
>
>
> d/
> -- 
>
>  Dave Crocker
>  Brandenburg InternetWorking
>  bbiw.net
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