Re: Security for the IETF wireless network

George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> Fri, 25 July 2014 14:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: Security for the IETF wireless network
From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
To: Bill Fenner <fenner@fenron.com>
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lets put the keyhash in a low rate bitstream and add it into GPS and Glonas
packets. If we write the code, then we can extract it at one bit per minute
or something, and every phone in the western hemisphere with Android or iOS
will have the pubkey.

anything else is just quiche.

or, we could ritually all incant the keyhash in plenary at the mike, for
the next meeting. That leaves newbies exposed to a +1 risk unti they come
to another IETF.