Re: HTML for email

Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Mon, 01 March 2021 23:52 UTC

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 15:52:44 -0800
From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Subject: Re: HTML for email
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On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 06:47:20PM -0500, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 3/1/21 6:32 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> 
> > (FWIW, I myself perennially find myself reminding people that the official
> > IETF mail archive (web) service only displays the text/plain component, so
> > things like color and <div>s for quoting/indentation are lost.)
> 
> To me it seems like an "official" archive needs to preserve messages in 
> the formats in which they were submitted, or as close to that as possible.
> 
> I can certainly understand if the web interface to such an archive 
> doesn't support every aspect of MIME, or if it is careful about what 
> HTML (or JS, or...) it presents to the reader.   But losing color and 
> indentation seems very sub-optimal.
> 
> It's just a simple matter of (yet more) programming I suppose. And the 
> devil is in the details.

I put the "web" qualifier in because there is also an official IMAP
archive, that does preserve the message as submitted.  But it's not very
discoverable and requires quite a bit more effort to set up and use.

-Ben