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Re: tone policing

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 03 September 2019 00:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: tone policing
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 9/2/19 8:17 PM, Masataka Ohta wrote:

> Mark Nottingham wrote:
>
>> Absolutely not agreed, for reasons that have been discussed at
>> length. Ignoring bad behaviour is permission to continue it, and
>> changes the culture of the IETF to exclude valuable contributors. It
>> also makes this a toxic environment.

IMO, nothing is doing more to make IETF a toxic environment than "tone 
policing" (for lack of a better term).

> As for not changing the culture of the IETF, how do you evaluate
> the following statement of an SAA I received:
>
> >    We understand that this style of communication was accepted (if
> >    not encouraged) in the past, but it is no longer the expectation
> >    now.

Assuming there was nothing else in the message that gave specific 
guidance, this does appear to be the very kind of abuse I'm opposed to.

Keith

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