Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 20 September 2018 20:11 UTC

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 22:11:36 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Evan Hunt <each@isc.org>
Cc: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 06:57:21PM +0000, Evan Hunt wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 07:17:06PM +0200, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> > b) Changing language so no piece of computer/network hardware/software should
> > feel offended is not necessary.
> > c) Being culturally offended on behalf of a computer/network entity is 
> > virtue signalling. 
> 
> If you believed that the intention of the change was to avoid hurting the
> feelings of computers, as opposed to the people using those computers,
> then let me gently suggest you may have missed the point.

Do i qualify to demand a rename of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_tree
if i have an appropriate BMI and feel offended or do i have to work in
a Data Center ? Or can i simply demand it with the argument that obesity
kills a lot more people than slavery, and the richest companies on the planet
are promoting it by their choice of network technologies.

Cheers
    Toerless

> -- 
> Evan Hunt -- each@isc.org
> Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.