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"Worley, Dale R (Dale)" <dworley@avaya.com> Sun, 05 August 2012 01:37 UTC

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From: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" <dworley@avaya.com>
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 21:34:59 -0400
Subject: RE: Basic ietf process question ...
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> From: Mark Nottingham [mnot@mnot.net]
> 
> What surprises me and many others is that people are still using it
> and promoting it, when it's well-understood by almost EVERYONE who was
> involved in using XML for protocols in the past ten years agrees that
> it's a mistake.

It sounds to me like what is needed is some sort of "best common
practices" document regarding data aggregation and encoding, or even
perhaps an IETF Sunday tutorial.  Lots of people who are never going
to become experts in the field need to make good choices when
designing protocols...

Dale

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