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Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sat, 27 February 2021 20:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: document writing/editing tools used by IETF
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 2/27/21 2:01 PM, John Levine wrote:

> I agree that neither mailing lists nor github are ideal for the way the IETF works
> today but I would be very unhappy if we invented yet another bespoke locally maintained
> bunch of software.

Perhaps someone could explain in more detail why bespoke software is 
inherently a Bad Thing.   IMO, forcing people to use poor nonstandard 
tools and accept vendor lockin is inherently a Bad Thing.

Keith

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