Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF"
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Wed, 03 June 2015 20:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF"
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Hi, On 03/06/15 21:00, Tony Hain wrote: > While I don't object to making the IETF content available via > https/tls, That's been done for ages. This just makes it the default. Which does require some minor changes. > this proposed statement reads as political knee-jerk BS > that is both unnecessary and uncalled for. What the statement MUST > focus on is 'data integrity', and SHOULD NOT stoop to fear mongering > over 'privacy'. I have to say the above seems somewhat overstated. (Where my use of "somewhat" is understatement:-) > "It is public data ..." For the very small subset > that is truly restricted access, it is fine to acknowledge 'privacy' > as a concern, but for the vast majority of the content in question, > 'data integrity' is the only real concern. I would assert that the existence of the dprive WG is good evidence that the IETF does not consider data-integrity as the only real concern for public data. I'd also note that there is no TLS ciphersuite that satisfies BCP195 and that only provides data integrity. That very recent IETF consensus document says one MUST NOT negotiate any of the ciphersuites with NULL encryption (essentially outside of testing/debug). So what you appear to want this statement to say would seem to be inconsistent with IETF consensus. Cheers, S. > > As such, I oppose the statement as written. Fix the tone and I will > be a strong supporter. > > Tony > > >> -----Original Message----- From: IETF-Announce >> [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The IESG Sent: >> Monday, June 01, 2015 9:44 AM To: IETF Announcement List Subject: >> Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF" >> >> Hi All, >> >> The IESG are planning to agree an IESG statement on "HTTPS >> Everywhere for the IETF," please see [1] for the current text. >> >> We are seeking community feedback on this and welcome assistance >> from the community in identifying any cases where a change or >> additional guidance is needed to put this into effect. >> >> The IESG plans to finalise this statement just after IETF-93 in >> Prague. >> >> * Please send general feedback intended for discussion to >> ietf@ietf.org >> >> * Comments about specific issues arising can be sent to >> iesg@ietf.org or tools-discuss@ietf.org as appropriate (use >> iesg@ietf.org if not sure) >> >> Regards, Terry & Stephen (for the IESG) >> >> [1] >> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/HttpsEverywhere > > >
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Richard Barnes
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Bob Hinden
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Niels Dettenbach
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Nico Williams
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Paul Wouters
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Roland Dobbins
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Roland Dobbins
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Roland Dobbins
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Nico Williams
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Mark Baugher (mbaugher)
- Where are the places that block encrypted traffic? Sam Hartman
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… John Levine
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Masataka Ohta
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Eliot Lear
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Xiaoyin Liu
- Re: Where are the places that block encrypted tra… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Eliot Lear
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Jari Arkko
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Roland Dobbins
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Niels Dettenbach
- Re: Where are the places that block encrypted tra… Niels Dettenbach
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Jari Arkko
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… l.wood
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Touch
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Touch
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Touch
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Richard Barnes
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Touch
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Richard Barnes
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Touch
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Richard Barnes
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Touch
- Re: Where are the places that block encrypted tra… Mark Andrews
- Re: Where are the places that block encrypted tra… Sam Hartman
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Jari Arkko
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Xiaoyin Liu
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… t.p.
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… t.p.
- Re: Where are the places that block encrypted tra… Tim Bray
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Touch
- Re: Where are the places that block encrypted tra… Warren Kumari
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Niels Dettenbach
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- RE: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Tony Hain
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… John C Klensin
- RE: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Tony Hain
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… John C Klensin
- RE: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Tony Hain
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Yoav Nir
- RE: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Tony Hain
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Nico Williams
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Hildebrand
- RE: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Christian Huitema
- RE: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Tony Hain
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Joe Touch
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Benson Schliesser
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Nico Williams
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Niels Dettenbach
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… l.wood
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Hector Santos
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Xiaoyin Liu
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Hector Santos
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Hector Santos
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for t… Stephen Farrell