Re: [IAOC] Proposed IETF Privacy Policy for Review

"Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com> Sat, 12 November 2016 20:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [IAOC] Proposed IETF Privacy Policy for Review
From: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com>
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we could claim that I suppose, but the fact that the website is managed by a California based company 
could make it expensive (in lawyer time) to succeed, if we were able to at all 

but, in any case, as you say, we should have a privacy policy in any case

Scott


> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 11/13/2016 1:26 AM, S Moonesamy wrote:
>> According to the IETF Administrative Director the IETF is required by
>> California law to have
>> an accurate privacy policy on its websites.
> 
> 
> Why is the IETF, an international, unincorporated organization, subject to California law?
> 
> It well might be good for the IETF to have a privacy policy -- in fact it's difficult to believe it isn't -- but motivating it in this way doesn't make obvious sense.
> 
> d/
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> -- 
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>  Dave Crocker
>  Brandenburg InternetWorking
>  bbiw.net
>