Re: IETF Slack workspace

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Fri, 28 August 2020 19:36 UTC

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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 8/28/20 3:18 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:

> If my kids can figure out how to do this and the IETF can’t, we’re clearly missing something, or attempting to over-engineer or over-religion it.

Kids generally aren't concerned about a number of issues that are 
important to IETF - such as privacy or multi-platform compatibility or 
global reach or scalability to hundreds of people in the same 
conversation or reliability against loss of any messages.

But I agree that having to arrange for a jabber account and configure a 
client are a pain.

Keith