Re: Transparency of IAOC

SM <sm@resistor.net> Tue, 12 April 2016 20:07 UTC

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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:00:20 -0700
To: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net>, ietf@ietf.org
From: SM <sm@resistor.net>
Subject: Re: Transparency of IAOC
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Hi Dave,

I mentioned that I'll reply to the questions which you asked during 
our discussion.  The arguments for transparency is that one does not 
have to rely on gossip or have to assess the level of honesty of a 
person providing the information to understand the rationale for a 
decision.  One argument against transparency is that not all 
information can be made public.

The latest minutes of the IESG are at 
http://ietf.org/iesg/minutes/2016/narrative-minutes-2016-03-03.html 
I don't know whether there was community pressure for any IETF 
participant to be able to join an IESG Teleconference.  The option is 
there though.  Is the IESG more open than five years back?  Yes.

Is it appropriate to ask questions to the IAOC?  I don't see people 
who have been part of the "leadership" doing that.  Maybe, it will be 
viewed as politically incorrect and it is not good for a person's 
IETF career.  In other words, it is a matter of perception.

Regards,
-sm