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Re: Things that used to be clear (was Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 04 July 2019 20:13 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 13:13:11 -0700
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Subject: Re: Things that used to be clear (was Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)
To: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Cc: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
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On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 12:21 PM Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 08:31:47AM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > Ignoring labelling for a moment, in a number of WGs (HTTP, TLS, and
> > QUIC) we have found it necessary to have full implementations and
> > large-scale deployments quite early in the design process, long before
> > anyone thinks that the document is done.
>
> I had that experience in mind.
>
> Except for QUIC (whose implementors and deployers understood and
> expected to have to make backwards-incompatible changes / move to HTTP/2
> and /3), HTTP/2 and TLS 1.3 didn't get widespread deployment during this
> process.  But they did get some, and that "some deployment" was
> absolutely critical to their success.
>

I don't want to nitpick about widespread, but we were seeing single digit
fractions
of Firefox connections with TLS 1.3 during this period. I would anticipate
that
QUIC will be similar.

-Ekr

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