Re: Non routable IPv6 registry proposal

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Mon, 15 March 2021 17:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: Non routable IPv6 registry proposal
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 10:28:49 -0700
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Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, Nico Schottelius <nico.schottelius@ungleich.ch>, David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
To: Brian Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Brian,

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>> 
>> ULA is very dominant in these networks and it's probably also one of the
>> sources we got the first requests for establishing the ULA registry.
> 
> I can only repeat: if you want action from the IETF (and remember that
> on certain matters iesg@ietf can give instructions to the IANA), the case
> has to be made via an I-D. Facts, numbers, use case. Getting an RFC that
> sets up a first-come first-served ULA-C system isn't an impossible dream,
> but it is work. That would open up the entire fc00::/8 space.
> 

I agree.   I have always thought that the biggest issue for ULA-C is who maintains the central registry.   It needs to be free or very low cost, and permanent.

Bob