Re: ipv4 and ipv6 Coexistence.

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Wed, 26 February 2020 23:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: ipv4 and ipv6 Coexistence.
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, "Carlos M. Martinez" <carlosm3011@gmail.com>
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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
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On 26/2/20 19:56, Christian Huitema wrote:
> 
> On 2/26/2020 9:28 AM, Fernando Gont wrote:
>>
>> On 26/2/20 14:20, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
>>> It’d be strange to find such phones for sale. Not saying that there 
>>> aren’t any though.
>>>
>>> Automatic / embedded devices are a different matter though.
>>>
>>> On 26 Feb 2020, at 10:03, Fernando Gont wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have e.g. 3G-only mobile phones been banned? Or do users *opt* not 
>>>> to buy such phones for a reason? (there might be an implicit message 
>>>> in the possible answer to this question).
>>>
>>
>> The point is exactly that: nobody had to ban them for them to go away. 
> 
> Uh? Buying 3G phones is not that hard. See for example this offer of 
> "simple 3G phones for seniors": 
> https://www.amazon.com/Mosthink-Unlocked-Compatible-Charging-Included/dp/B07MMSFQN4.
> 
> Without going into the details of the phone market, this is just an 
> example of the "long tail" phenomenon that affects the evolution of 
> networks. Yes, when a new technology becomes popular, the most popular 
> devices will get updated quickly. But beware the long tail, all the 
> devices that still want to keep using the old technology for a variety 
> of reasons. Each of these devices may have a minuscule market share, but 
> taken in aggregate they make for a significant volume. The transition 
> plans to the new technology can never just ignore them.

My argument was: make the new technology attractive for people to adopt 
it over the legacy one, and you won't need to ban anything.

And if you do feel you need to buy anything, there's probably an 
implicit message. (As with the phones: easier to use, battery lasts 
forever when compared to new ones, I can drop the phone and it will not 
break badly).

If folks don't stop using them, there's probably a reason why (whatever 
that is).

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Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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