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Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle

joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Sat, 19 March 2016 16:05 UTC

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On 3/17/16 3:40 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA wrote:
> Hmmm… Shall I rephrase it as how to apply the end to end argument in
> the context of current mostly cloud-based interactions? 

You seem to have a implicit but unstated assumption that an application
or service exists in one and only one place.
>
>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 11:38 , Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie
>> <mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>> wrote:
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>> On 17/03/16 10:31, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA wrote:
>>> whether the good-ole e2e principle is no longer applicable
>>
>> I always think of it as the end to end argument, not principle,
>> and from that perspective, I think it remains entirely applicable.
>>
>> S.
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