Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board
Thierry Moreau <thierry.moreau@connotech.com> Tue, 17 February 2009 16:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board
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Michael Dillon wrote: > > Some of the time, [...] > the IETF should ask the FSF to collect their thoughts and write an > Internet draft that explains why the proposed plan of action is bad, and why the > IETF should take some other plan of action. That draft can then go to the WG > and get resolved before a new protocol ever reaches RFC status. > Under the rule that "the IETF will make no determination about the validity of any particular IPR claim" (BCP79), the WG chair(s) would simply object to discussions about such a draft (apparently no matter who authored the draft, but sometimes some IETF participants are more equal than others, so I'm not 100% sure). If you want to change this rule, e.g. "the IETF may collect evidence useful to the determination of a particular IPR claim validity and/or scope" then you were challenged to come up with a detailed proposal. My point in this discussion was that the IETF processes are increasingly inefficient because *at the participant level*, under the current rules, insufficient investigation and analyses are being made. But that's an incomplete diagnostic of the current situation, and I have no solution to propose. -- - Thierry Moreau CONNOTECH Experts-conseils inc. 9130 Place de Montgolfier Montreal, Qc Canada H2M 2A1 Tel.: (514)385-5691 Fax: (514)385-5900 web site: http://www.connotech.com e-mail: thierry.moreau@connotech.com
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- Re: References to Redphone's "patent" Thomas Narten
- RE: References to Redphone's "patent" Powers Chuck-RXCP20
- Re: References to Redphone's "patent" Scott Brim
- RE: References to Redphone's "patent" Lawrence Rosen
- RE: References to Redphone's "patent" Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: References to Redphone's "patent" Noel Chiappa
- RE: References to Redphone's "patent" Contreras, Jorge
- IPR advice to avoid ignorant flame wars about pat… Lawrence Rosen
- Previous consensus on not changing patent policy … Harald Alvestrand
- RE: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… Lawrence Rosen
- Re: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… John Levine
- RE: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… Paul Hoffman
- Re: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… ned+ietf
- Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Lawrence Rosen
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Paul Hoffman
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Michael Dillon
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Paul Hoffman
- Settlement proposal - Re: Previous consensus on n… TSG
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Thierry Moreau
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Michael B. Einschlag
- Re: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… TSG
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board John Levine
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Doug Ewell
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Michael Dillon
- RE: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… Powers Chuck-RXCP20
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board John Levine
- RE: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board TSG
- Re: Previous consensus on not changing patent pol… Theodore Tso