What we need done (Re: first steps (was The other parts of the report...))
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Sun, 12 September 2004 22:08 UTC
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:39:36 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, scott bradner <sob@harvard.edu>, ietf@ietf.org
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Subject: What we need done (Re: first steps (was The other parts of the report...))
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--On 12. september 2004 12:19 -0400 John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > To further complicate things, I personally don't think the IETF > has yet figured out enough about what it really wants from the > secretariat part of the function and reached enough consensus on > that to justify any RFP-writing. In this respect, the material > in The Report seems to me to be inadequate unless the definition > of what the IETF wants from the secretariat is "whatever the > IESG or its leadership decide they want on a given day". permit me to respectfully disagree...... The things that we need done in the "clerk's office" aren't actually that novel. It's basic workplan management and document management, for the most part. Scale and the responsiveness of participants may be different from other organizations - but not THAT different. And there's a whole lot of things other organizations do (outreach, exhibitions, membership management, dues processing) that we simply don't do. Granted, we've grown a thicket of tradition and bizarre quirks over the years (for instance, we have archives of old I-Ds, and archive our mailing lists, but have no archives of old WG charters), but some of these are things that could benefit from a real "why do you need this?" look, and others are relatively easily implementable on more-or-less standard processing tools (I believe). I suspect that the only way we can figure out if anyone can figure out what we want done from the descriptions we give is to ask them - we don't have any experience figuring out what the processes of an organization is, we just have experience with living inside this single instance. (OK, some of us have experience from other orgs too....) Harald _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- first steps (was The other parts of the report...) scott bradner
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… scott bradner
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… John C Klensin
- RE: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Steve Crocker
- RE: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Carl Malamud
- What we need done (Re: first steps (was The other… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… John C Klensin
- Re: What we need done (Re: first steps (was The o… avri
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Dave Crocker
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Dave Crocker
- RE: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… graham.travers
- RE: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… graham.travers
- RE: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Steve Crocker
- RE: first steps (was The other parts of the repor… Joel Jaeggli
- IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) Spencer Dawkins
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) shogunx
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) Tim Chown
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) william(at)elan.net
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) Hadmut Danisch
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) Dick St.Peters
- Re: IETF 62 Lars Eggert
- Re: IETF 62 Sam Hartman
- Re: IETF 62 Lars Eggert
- Re: IETF 62 John C Klensin
- Re: IETF 62 Lars Eggert
- Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps) Mark Allman
- RE: Meeting locations (was IETF 62) Robin Uyeshiro
- Re: IETF 62 Scott Michel
- Re: IETF 62 Michael D Frisch
- Re: IETF 62 Ted Faber