IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: Think outside the box - Re: Want to be on the IESG?

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Mon, 18 October 2021 22:19 UTC

Return-Path: <sm@elandsys.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DB23A07EC for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:19:57 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.697
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=elandsys.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nfyjpK50iAtc for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FDB3A07DA for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from DESKTOP-K6V9C2L.elandsys.com ([102.115.170.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 19IMJJw4025800; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:19:28 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1634595570; x=1634681970; i=@elandsys.com; bh=y9a6Gpu4opnOrlL16b13RriWO/BeyirWfMDDyOYSxxc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=kt/lOdqmZgcnO9UVdyqp4kxO2/4Dw7E1ri+KaCYLG8yf3Ep7z/aeXanWIb5iaEQig rib5JkjnKnlKxzLyK2GYvTUvYJPvC7n32O5bcGoDYfSKuQ7aETSiOgOnfrMm/Uwj9q eJcPLbBt9/6liwMkgu2342n9d/tFDn1APhzuN1WQ=
Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20211018144516.130897d8@elandnews.com>
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:17:55 -0700
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Re: Think outside the box - Re: Want to be on the IESG?
In-Reply-To: <YWbzLTWByJlJpksc@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
References: <C0C0679B-D9B0-474B-879C-9F8D7020E80A@akamai.com> <46743679-3566-d383-10c6-22a05d78deb3@cs.tcd.ie> <BA76D727-D0C8-4EF9-B419-E6811A86759E@akamai.com> <249C4257-5C9F-4864-A581-F1B6ACEB7DF1@tzi.org> <2F9BCC99F44844A98FE6F7D7@PSB> <CAKKJt-fMbG2KygEr=H3-jYv1+0y8qmHGf0zOUJ3w6WFhQ1=JyQ@mail.gmail.com> <5AD6F8A8F4DB29107AB17A04@PSB> <62FDD7B7-B23B-481D-BA48-0E179790F03A@tzi.org> <AA7C39F28F98420C40DE4442@PSB> <F4275D2E-F678-4D15-8F3D-FE3538BE7456@akamai.com> <YWbzLTWByJlJpksc@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/E5MVQ8T7V9OGU9tFzwRQMh5gTVE>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:19:58 -0000

Hi Toreless,
At 07:54 AM 13-10-2021, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>Let me give just two examples:
>
>manycouches had many couch potatoes arguing for many many years to
>have at least one virtual-only IETF per year, even if just as an
>experiment. I do not remember a single AD thinking outside of a box
>to push for such an experiment. It took covid.

The message at 
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manycouches/pUzNqQtV6HfzuS5YRw7cVAlvINM/ 
is from 2016.  The discussion predates the current pandemic.

>A good amount of work, especially design teams became a lot more
>open in reaction to USA EAR politics.

I haven't looked into that.

Do mean that Area Directors are unable to consider a perspective 
which is contrary to IETF dogma?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email