Re: List moderator action
Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Tue, 28 April 2026 22:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: List moderator action
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2026 23:17:58 +0100
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Stephen Farrell wrote on 28/04/2026 22:16: > I have some sympathy with the above. IMO we are damaging ourselves > somewhat by reacting too harshly to DJB's useless footer text. The > sequence of bans on various lists looks quite silly. if it had just been an issue of some footer text from a random punter, I'm pretty sure it would have been quietly ignored or written off as yet more mild eccentricity from yet another ietf participant. The problem was that there were legal threats in Dan's emails, allegations of criminal activity, abusive language directed at the ietf and its participants, unpleasant and demeaning commentary, and a pile other unnecessary drama. I'm not much of a fan of restricting peoples' posting rights either, but Dan would help his own cause by cutting out the invective and generally being a bit more circumspect about which battles are worth fighting, and which are not. We all get up on our high horse from time to time about something, but it's exhausting when people get up on their high horse about everything, all the time. Nick
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- Re: List moderator action Christian Hopps
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- Re: List moderator action S Moonesamy
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- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Livingood, Jason
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- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… Salz, Rich
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- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) John C Klensin
- Re: Stream differences (Was: legal consultation) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) John C Klensin
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- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Sayre
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Scott Bradner
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… John C Klensin
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- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Jacob Appelbaum
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- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… S Moonesamy
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