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Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs

"Paul Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Thu, 20 September 2018 15:32 UTC

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From: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:32:39 -0700
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On 20 Sep 2018, at 8:19, Toerless Eckert wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 06:50:14AM -0800, Melinda Shore wrote:
>> On 9/20/18 6:31 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>>> Thinking beyond my frustration with virtue signalling:
>>
>> I'm not sure that it's helpful to suggest that there's no
>> actual substance to concerns about inadvertent offense
>> being caused by unthoughtful use of language, partly
>> because it's insulting and dismissive but primarily because
>> it's simply not accurate.
>
> virtue signalling describes the condition where a proposed change
> does not address or resolve real concerns but is just introduced
> to suggest empathy and only accelerates the euphemism treadmill.

It's hard to tell if you are saying that the people on this thread who 
believe that using better language will resolve real concerns are wrong, 
or if you are accusing them of lying.

--Paul Hoffman

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