Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (behave) (fwd)
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Tue, 21 September 2004 11:14 UTC
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:02:03 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
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Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (behave) (fwd)
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--On tirsdag, september 21, 2004 13:55:10 +0300 Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> wrote: > (Removed Cc: iesg) > > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: >> --On mandag, september 20, 2004 14:38:51 -0400 Michael Richardson >> <mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> wrote: >> > Harald> And - here I am making a real leap of faith - if the IETF >> > Harald> recommendations for NAT devices make manufacturers who >> > Harald> listen to them create NAT devices that make their customers >> > Harald> more happy, then many of these new NAT devices may be >> > Harald> conformant to IETF recommendations. >> > >> > Do we really want customers of NAT devices to be happy? >> >> Given that I'm one of them, and will continue to be one until the IPv4 >> Internet fades to where I can ignore it.... yes. > > The point is not whether the users behind an IPv4 NAT are happy or > not. > > The point is which kind of applications you can reasonably expect to > deploy behind an IPv4 NAT, and be happy. > > I agree with Harald that v4 NATs are going to be here a decade from > now. But that's irrelevant, if those people using the NAT only use > simple client-server applications. Well.... my house was behind 2 levels of NAT until last week. Once i got rid of one level (the one I don't control), some of my operational problems with keeping SSH sessions up simply went away. And SSH is a client-server protocol. Don't underestimate the capability of badly implemented and/or configured NATs to make things go boom in the night. Harald _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Pekka Savola
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Michael Richardson
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Bob Hinden
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Melinda Shore
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Michael Richardson
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… John C Klensin
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Pekka Savola
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Michael Richardson
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Pekka Savola
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Vernon Schryver
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Michael Richardson
- Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance… Leif Johansson