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Re: Security for various IETF services

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sun, 06 April 2014 22:12 UTC

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To: Dick Franks <rwfranks@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Security for various IETF services
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On 04/06/2014 08:27 PM, Dick Franks wrote:
> On 5 April 2014 14:40, <l.wood@surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> "I didn't see anything that stood out. Are you referring to his why
>> question?  Really?  It seems others answered why."
>>
>> they did not.
>>
>> Other noises off-stage are rrelevant
> 
> The author(s) of the proposal MUST provide the threat model for each
> service and a reasoned argument why the proposed action mitigates the
> identified threat or threats.
> 
> Engineering best practice demands no less.

I disagree. Asking for a threat model seems odd, since the
proposed IESG statement isn't specific to a particular service
and absent that you can't sensibly construct a threat model I
think.

> Transparent decision process demands no less.

I have no idea what's apparently opaque.

> Ignoring Lloyd Wood's question is not an option.

LLoyd's questions were answered IMO.

S..



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> Dick Franks
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