Re: WCIT outcome?
Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Tue, 01 January 2013 18:36 UTC
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On Tue 01/Jan/2013 09:31:28 +0100 Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > ** CCITT document D.1. The 1988 version includes the restrictions on > use of leased lines: > http://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp?lang=e&id=T-REC-D.1-198811-S!!PDF-E&type=items > > The 1991 version is much less restrictive, but it remains the case that > interconnections are all "subject to national laws" and that is the basis > for all national limitations on the Internet today. Nevertheless, the 1991 > revision of D.1 was absolutely essential for the Internet to grow > internationally. Was D.1 to ease wire tapping? By example, I, as a mail server operator who is not a telecom, am not required by my country's laws to provide an instrumentation whereby authorized investigators can obtain a list of a user's correspondents on the fly. Yet that kind of data is said to be essential for police operations. OTOH, SMTP doesn't consider that kind of facilities, and fashionable implementations don't provide them. What am I missing? Perhaps, as the old telephone system is fading away, the institutions that founded it --local governments' branches-- should change their mindset or just fade away as well... Should the IETF or other SDOs help such transition? On Sat 29/Dec/2012 07:26:56 +0100 Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > The old telephone system is fading away. It is becoming an Internet > application just as the pocket calculator has become a desktop > application. And as it passes, the institutions it founded are > looking for new roles. There is no particular reason that this must > happen.
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