Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other Things (Was: Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting IETF operations)
Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com> Fri, 11 March 2016 15:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other Things (Was: Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting IETF operations)
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Even worse, I'm not sure people who deploy this stuff are even trying: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/40505.html Scott K On Wednesday, March 09, 2016 05:41:43 PM Livingood, Jason wrote: > Sure, WiFi security is an issue for IoT. But there are probably much more > fundamental IoT security issues. IMHO I think one of the largest is the > lack of a secure & automatic (no end user interaction) software update > channel. > > - Jason > > > > On 3/9/16, 9:39 AM, "ietf on behalf of Michael Richardson" > > <ietf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: > >Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote: > > > I want to add that the security problem for IOT is wider than > > > >setting > > > > > up the secure wireless connectivity. I¹m going out on a limb and say > > > that that in the networks that I work with, that¹s a largely solved > > > problem modulo many non-IOT related updates that are being > > > handled. > > > >I think the the problem of setting up the "secure" wireless connectivity > >is > >largely a distraction, and leads regularly to insecurity. > > > >I also think that the networks you speak of are largely vertically > >integrated. > > > >-- > >Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works > > > > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Randy Bush
- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Phillip Hallam-Baker
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- Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affec… Michael Richardson
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Michael Richardson
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- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Theodore V Faber
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- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Phillip Hallam-Baker
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- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Livingood, Jason
- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Scott Kitterman
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- Re: Security for the Internet of Things and Other… Stewart Bryant
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