Re: NomCom 2019 Call for Community Feedback

"Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> Mon, 04 November 2019 19:52 UTC

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>, Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
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Subject: Re: NomCom 2019 Call for Community Feedback
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+1 to what Kyle & Paul said. I agree this is a job scope / expectations challenge. Unless the expectations for the AD role meaningfully changes, we should not expect any great increase in the number of candidates.

Jason
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´╗┐On 11/4/19, 8:44 AM, "ietf on behalf of Paul Wouters" <ietf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of paul@nohats.ca>; wrote:

    On Mon, 4 Nov 2019, Kyle Rose wrote:

    > Surprised? Maybe. I'm personally not surprised: being AD is basically a full-time job, and unless one is
    > independently wealthy a candidate needs support from his/her employer for a 2-year (and often 4-year) commitment.
    > Conservatively, that's a $600,000 investment for a 2-year term, and you don't even get your logo in the credits
    > for the trouble. It's hard to make the business case for that.

    This is indeed the core of the problem. And perhaps we need to think
    about how it can be addressed in other ways.

    Paul