Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) - reducing configuration complexity
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) - reducing configuration complexity
To: Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
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On 2/13/2017 9:17 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > I don't think this is true. ... > JMAP, on the other hand, can cope with both gmail style labels and > IMAP-style mailboxes, by stated design. The constraints/flexibility of an effort depend on the goals it asserts and the support for those goals. I think it's dandy to target an access protocol that is substantially different from the features/style/whatever of IMAP. The requirements are to be very clear about the features/style/whatever of the new effort, very clear about the expected benefits, and very clear about the support for that. Given the long history of IMAP, the proposed JMAP effort should offer clear assertions of the relative differences and benefits of the new effort, to aid in assessing likely appeal of the effort. So, for example, the above comment about JMAP's handling of different reference models is substantive and appealing. However the various notes that have been posted about JMAP leave me thinking that there is less clarity about the effort than one would like, among JMAP's supporters. The embodiment of the clarity needs to be the charter text and I don't think it's made its case well enough. For example, I don't see a reference to the ability to support different referencing models. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- Re: WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) Dave Crocker
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Gren Elliot
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Randy Bush
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Gren Elliot
- Fwd: Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Proto… Gren Elliot
- Re: [Jmap] service discovery, was WG Review: JSON… John Levine
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access P… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access P… Randy Bush
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access P… John C Klensin
- Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail Access P… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Neil Jhaveri
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access P… Gren Elliot
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Yoav Nir
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Alexey Melnikov
- Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail Acc… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… John C Klensin
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Ted Lemon
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Ted Hardie
- Re: WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) -… John Levine
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Pete Resnick
- Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail Access P… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail Access P… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… ned+ietf
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… John C Klensin
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Dave Cridland
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Ted Lemon
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… John C Klensin
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… John C Klensin
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Dave Cridland
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Jmap] WG Review: JSON Mail Access Protocol (… Ted Lemon
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… ned+ietf
- Re: Fwd: Re: [Jmap] Fwd: Re: WG Review: JSON Mail… John C Klensin