Re: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)

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Subject: Re: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)
To: Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Hiya,

On 31/10/2021 23:25, Jay Daley wrote:
> 
>> On 31/10/2021, at 11:31 AM, Keith Moore<moore@network-heretics.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's hard to escape the impression that some of those insisting on
>> "professional behavior" are looking for a way to exclude those who
>> they deem not qualified, so as to get out of the way of the Big
>> Corporations who want IETF to do what they want it to do.

> While I understand the allure of conspiracy theories, it is far more
> straightforward and far more accurate to assume that those insisting
> on "professional behaviour" are simply looking to exclude
> "unprofessional behaviour" wherever that is found, with no ulterior
> motive.

I don't think there's any necessity here to impugn someone as
finding conspiracy theories alluring.

These things change over time and in different locales. At
this time, ISTM there are some corporate HR regimes that are
both a vast improvement over what was seen a decade or two
ago, and yet at the same time, can be validly criticised as
being hugely hypocritical. My impression is that Keith is
more making the point that "professional" in such a context
is problematic. (A point with which I agree btw.)

Cheers,
S.