Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-08.txt> (Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification) to Internet Standard
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From: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 01:26:49 -0500
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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-08.txt> (Internet
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Hi Randy, On Feb 10, 2017 10:23 PM, "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com> wrote: just to get down a level from meta- > If the right answer is to allow packet modifications that break PMTUD > and IPsec/AH, let's do it, but let's also say we're doing it. obvious imiho > I happen to think it's the wrong answer, but that's my problem. i share it, but this is at the border of my expertise. i have this fantasy of pmtu actually working before i retire. i realize it is unrealistic. > Leaving the text open to interpretation would make a mockery of > promoting it to Standard. agree. but v6 specs seem to like wussing out and leaving the opportunity to do wrong things. i'll bet you a reuben at the corned beef factory in chicago that the next try at the addressing architecture still does not *unambiguously* state cidr except for slaac. Do you mean the affinity for a 64 bit IID for addresses? If so, this has been widely explored and documented in RFC7421. I agree with you that this is hard to get out of given the state of implementations. I am not sure how this draft (rfc2460bis) is related to that though. Thanks Suresh
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