Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: CACAO

Michael StJohns <> Thu, 13 September 2018 17:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: CACAO
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>     Only other thing to note is that this happens so
>     often (new list for who knows what) that maybe the
>     tooling's a bit wrong and encourages folks to ok
>     or ask for lists without considering that others
>     don't have the same (or any) context.
> I think you and I are just going to have to disagree here. Lists are 
> cheap -- they're not WGs -- and I bias in favor of facilitating 
> discussion.. I think this is appropriate especially in view of the 
> fact that one of the first questions we ask for a proposed BOF is 
> whether there has been a lot of list traffic. Again, you're free to 
> feel differently.
> -Ekr

Lists are cheap to *create* - the costs come (and they add up) to those 
who have to determine whether to subscribe and participate. Having 
enough information in the announcement so a prospective "investor" can 
decide without having to dig that the list may be safely ignored seems 
like common sense.  The converse - an announcement with no useful 
description - is usually one of either being lazy, or being oblivious or 
dismissive of other peoples time, or - in rare circumstances - trying to 
comply with the rules while hiding what's actually going on under a 
boring label.

I don't have any problems with creating lists, but compare the 
description of this list with sdwan which was created on the same day:

> Purpose:
> SDWAN-SEC Mailing Listing is for discussing optimized (and in some sense
> compromised) mechanisms in securing large scale SD-WAN deployment with
> constrained resources. Discussing the security risks for special type of
> IPsec solutions that utilize central controller to simplify some features
> of IPsec to fit within the common constrains of large number low power
> nodes managed by controller(s) via secure management channel.