Re: registries and designated experts
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Wed, 13 June 2012 21:50 UTC
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:50:30 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: registries and designated experts
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--On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 08:48 -0400 Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com> wrote: >> Maybe an IESG statement on this respect can help here. > > Is the existing text in RFC 5226 not sufficient? It contains > extensive text about the purpose and role of designated > experts, and was revised substantially the last time around to > try and find a good middle ground between being overly > prescriptive and giving experts a "blank check" to do what > they want. > > Nothing in the discussion I've seen so far in this thread > seems at odds with or beyond what is already in RFC 5226 (but > I may be biased). Thomas, FWIW, I think 5226 is ok, but that the community, especially the community who write "Designated Experts" need to pay a little more attention to a few phrases there than has sometimes been the case. For example, 5226 says: "Ideally, the designated expert follows specific review criteria as documented with the protocol that creates or uses the namespace." and "Experts are expected to apply applicable documented review or vetting procedures, or in the absence of documented criteria, follow generally accepted norms, e.g., those in Section 3.3." My impression is that people have perhaps too often skipped specifying specific guidelines or criteria in their definitions, leaving the experts to fall back on good sense and the last half of Section 3.3. That isn't necessarily bad but can easily lead to misunderstandings if there is actually controversy about a proposed registration. So I'd recommend that the community pay a bit more attention during Last Call to whether enough (or too much) guidance is specified than has often been the case in the past where we argue protocol details and do a lot of nit-picking but mostly ignore IANA Considerations sections. That doesn't require changes to 5226. But, if 5226 is every revised, it might be well to check to see if the emphasis in what it says about this issue is in line with what we want. john
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