Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Updates” header
Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Tue, 11 September 2018 19:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Updates” header
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:57:38 -0500
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> On Sep 11, 2018, at 2:53 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote: > > Ben, > > Thanks for your time. > >> The question of compliance came up in internal IESG discussion. >> >> I think that whenever “compliance” comes up in discussion, we are off-mission. >> RFCs exist to enable interoperability. Whether an implementation complies with >> an RFC is a red herring; what matters is if it interoperates with other >> implementations. > > So when you write in the proposed statement... > >>> In particular, the headers do not, by themselves, >>> imply a normative change to the updated RFC, nor do they, by themselves, imply >>> that implementers must implement the updating RFC to continue to comply with >>> the updated one. > > ... is this off-mission or a red herring? It was an attempt to disclaim any any meaning of “compliance”. So maybe I mispoke; statements to the effect that “this is not about compliance” are at least somewhat less off-mission :-) > >> From that perspective, I think questions about whether an >> implementation continues to “comply” are irrelevant. > > Why put something irrelevant in your proposed statement? > > Thanks, > Adrian >
- Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Update… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… tom petch
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Paul Wouters
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… tom petch
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Robert Sparks
- Re: Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Bob Hinden
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Christer Holmberg
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Robert Sparks
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Sean Turner
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Paul Hoffman
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Julian Reschke
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Adam Roach
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Adam Roach
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Paul Hoffman
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Heather Flanagan
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Lars Eggert
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Roni Even (A)
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Robert Sparks
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell