Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Mon, 30 November 2020 12:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service
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From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
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Am 30.11.2020 um 13:30 schrieb tom petch:
>
> On 28/11/2020 16:47, Julian Reschke wrote:
>> Am 28.11.2020 um 13:49 schrieb tom petch:
>>> Retiring the FTP service will impair my ability to contribute to the
>>> IETF.
>>>
>>> For a long time, I struggled to download copies of IETF documents in the
>>> form that the author intended.  The topic arose on this list and I was
>>> pointed at the FTP service and this solved my problems; the amount of
>>> work I could do in the IETF increased.
>>> ...
>>
>> Ok, I'll bite.
>>
>> Are you saying that when you open
>>
>>    https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7230.txt
>>
>> in a browser and do a "save as...", you're getting a broken document?
>
> Yes.

Well, in that case we should figure out what's going on. This is the
official plain text file published by the RFC Editor. If you can't
retrieve and save it without getting broken content, something is
seriously wrong with either your client or your network connection.

> This is not the URL I used before, that came from a post from Roman and
> was for an older RFC.

It would help if you provided a concrete example HTTP(S) URL for an RFC
(or an I-D) that fails for you (and optimally a description that the
failure exactly is).

> Be clear, I want ASCII text, which I can view anywhere, with a wide
> range of tools, edit (well not often RFC) and will usually be what the

Yes. That's the case with the text/plain resource mentioned above.

> author created.  So given the choices with 'save as' I will choose text
> and then the saved file starts with the complete CSS  (gee thanks web
> designer, how is it you always know better than me what it is that I

That would be the case if you save an *HTML* resource, not a plain text
resource.

> want:-)  The other three options all give me different forms of the
> HTML.  So yet another way for HTTP/HTML to not give me what I want!

What "other three options"?

Best regards, Julian