Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Wed, 09 April 2008 12:21 UTC
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From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative
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--On Wednesday, 09 April, 2008 14:00 +1200 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > Let's expand the quotation from the current, unamended Trust > procedures slightly: > > "If at any time the IAOC ceases to > exist, the Trustees then in office shall remain in office > and determine the future of > the Trust in accordance with the Trust Agreement." > > I agree there's a drafting error - it should say > > ""If at any time the IAOC ceases to > exist, the Trustees then in office shall remain in office > SOLELY IN ORDER TO determine the future of > the Trust in accordance with the Trust Agreement."" > > That was certainly the intent. But that is still inconsistent with the way I (and others) have read the Trust Agreement itself. If that reading is correct then, if the IAOC ceases to exist, the then-current batch of Trustees, or at least those who are Trustees as the result of IETF appointments or positions, all go "poof" in that role. The IESG then appoints three Trustees and _they_, not the prior incumbents, get to determine the future of the Trust. This distinction is important because it means that the people doing the "determining of the future" are potentially different people and definitely in different roles. Precisely the one thing those lame-duck Trustees should not be doing is "determining the future of the Trust". The language that would be consistent with that reading of the Trust Agreement would be something more like... "If at any time the IAOC ceases to exist, the Trustees then in office shall remain in office only until the IESG can appoint new Trustees in accordance with the Trust Agreement. During that period, their sole role and authority will be to conduct day to day business; they are prohibited from making any decisions with long-term or broad implications that cannot be reversed by their IESG-appointed successors." If one is going to plan for an unlikely, and potentially catastrophic, contingency at all, it is worth getting it right. Even independent of what the Trust Agreement says, if the IETF decides to get rid of the IAOC, the decisions about what happens next to IETF Administration should be firmly and exclusively in IETF hands. Then one needs to worry about what happens if the IETF goes away :-( john _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative P… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Leslie Daigle
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Leslie Daigle
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ed Juskevicius
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ed Juskevicius
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ted Hardie
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Stephan Wenger
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… TS Glassey