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Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 28 April 2026 21:17 UTC

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On 28/04/2026 19:29, Eric Heflin wrote:
> We should have a simple policy that
> any legal language in emails posted by members is to be ignored and have no
> effect ...

I have some sympathy with the above. IMO we are damaging ourselves
somewhat by reacting too harshly to DJB's useless footer text. The
sequence of bans on various lists looks quite silly.

On 28/04/2026 21:55, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote:
 > I still believe that there is a trivial solution to the problem,
 > which is for Daniel to exclude the dubious boilerplate.

The above is also true and would be most welcome. I don't have a
clue what he thinks is possibly being achieved by triggering the
bans for no good reason (not to mention the giant appeals;-)

Cheers,
S.

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