Re: Communications - Re: Ombudsteam update

Allison Mankin <allison.mankin@gmail.com> Mon, 28 January 2019 22:20 UTC

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From: Allison Mankin <allison.mankin@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 14:20:07 -0800
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Subject: Re: Communications - Re: Ombudsteam update
To: lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
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Lloyd,

I’ll find a reference to the deck that gives advice on style. It doesn’t
ask for formal language, just for some awareness by presenters and
participants, and openness to learning from each other.

Allison


On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 1:57 PM <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>; wrote:

> where did I say the term was okay or common? I simply provided background
> to a thread whose participants were talking past one another about fear.
>
> Communicating with Americans is often hard work for non-Americans... lack
> of cultural awareness goes both ways.
>
> but any expectation of "formal discussions" is imo very much at odds with
> the traditional conversational tone of IETF discussions.
>
> Lloyd Wood
> lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
>
> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 8:06 am, Allison Mankin <
> allison.mankin@gmail.com>; wrote:
>
> Dear Abdussalam and Lloyd,
>
> I too, in my ombudsteam role, think it wasn’t helpful to try to explain
> why the term about “fear” was ok or common. Most, if not all, of the WG
> Chairs and other leaders have had EDU team training that ironic idiomatic
> terms should be avoided because of the many backgrounds of participating
> engineers.
>
> I will now send the IPWave WG Chairs a message asking them to underline
> this principle to the WG mailing list and to the EDU team to remind WG
> Chairs.
>
> Abdussalam, send me and the ombudsteam a note and we can talk some more
> about this.
>
> Best,
>
> Allison
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:36 PM Abdussalam Baryun <
> abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>; wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:25 AM Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
> <lloyd.wood@yahoo..co.uk>> wrote:
>
> "Fear, uncertainty and doubt" is an informal industry expression
> unfamiliar to AB
>
>
>
> You have no right to write on the list about me, while I am not the
> subject but you are trying to make it. I am familiar more than you think,
> and I know that I was disturbed in formal discussions with unformal usa
> words. It is clear that IETF did ignore messages and I received number of
> apologies you may not be familiar what it means.
>
>