Re: Minor philosophical update to draft-ietf-dnsop-sutld-ps

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Tue, 04 July 2017 17:09 UTC

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>i would offer to put my keyboard where my mouth is.  but i fear that, at
>the bottom, i would have the unreasonable desire for dns classes to
>support these kinds of things.  i.e. i don't think we have a clean fix.
>but it would be nice to document the good with the bad.

Special use TLDs are the North Korea of the IETF.  Everyone agrees
they're a problem, but there's no agreement about what to do, with
attitudes ranging from resigned acceptance to aggressive
countermeasures.

The countermeasures all have problems.  Some make implausible
assumptions like knowing in advance where all the missile launchers,
er, stunt resolvers are.  Others would take strong action that would
produce a toxic rain of collateral damage on their allies.

So welcome to the Land of Lousy Options.

R's,
John