Re: Ombudsteam update

Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Tue, 22 January 2019 08:35 UTC

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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 08:25:35 +0000
From: Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>
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To: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com>, Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Ombudsteam update
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"Fear, uncertainty and doubt" is an informal industry expressionunfamiliar to AB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

just as April Fools' Day was
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/DBjxWy7JPiJHsENop5A2rnHzuqU
https://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/ietf/2013-04/msg00097.html

this is a cultural misunderstanding, mostly, but thesecultural misunderstandings do seem to tend to escalate.

L. Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood

      From: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com>
 To: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> 
Cc: IESG <iesg@ietf.org>; Ombudsteam <ombudsteam@ietf.org>; ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2019, 2:02
 Subject: Re: Ombudsteam update
   
Hi AB,

On Jan 18, 2019, at 1:18 AM, Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 8:09 PM Allison Mankin <allison.mankin@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Abdussalam,
You are right, I misread the date on the mail when I was writing yesterday (I have a kind of calendar dyslexia).   I too have that mail, but what I wrote yesterday is still the case.  

Please let ombudteam know (adding back ombudsteam to this email) if you have a continuing issue, as my mail said yesterday.

Yes I have a continuing issues, and the ombudsteam will be informed in the coming days, however, the biggest problem/issue was the IPWAVE AD and chair MUST follow up to make discussions easy and productive.

For people who do not know the context, this was AB’s mail
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/its/8aH6ikp6mIJ5BMIJApx6PqqyzPg
This was Tony Li’s mail that AB was responding to
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/its/iGhHmoJy2Ien_iyoOgd6I5gXzWM

 My formal public message was ignored by IETF AD office

????. I did respond on list to your message with my view
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/its/Lb84WgER7edzsJhp5cyjhxoYaxk

, then formal private message ignored by ombudsteam, so I was powerless. 

I am not privy to the workings of the ombudsteam. I will let them respond to this.

It is strange that it is easy of IETF-members/selected-members to ignore/drop formal emails/messages/letters/requests in IETF/IESG. 

Once you escalated the message to the ombudsteam, it is for the ombudsteam to judge. If there were specific actions for the ipwave chairs or the IESG I am assuming we would have heard from the ombudsteam.
ThanksSuresh