Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sat, 30 November 2019 23:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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On 11/30/19 6:46 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote:

> It seems that it ought to take a consensus call (here, rfc-interest, 
> somewhere else?) to change the default output prouced by the IETF 
> tools.  The question of pagination of output was more contentious than 
> I would have expected in previous rounds.

It appears that having the canonical format of RFCs be a format other 
than one that people actually use, has "interesting" consequences.   For 
example, anyone can generate RFCs in their own preferred format, using 
whatever typeface, pagination, TOC format, references format, etc. they 
wish, and it's difficult to tell (either by looking or comparison with 
the copy from the RFC Editor's site) whether such an RFC is genuine.

I think it would also be "interesting" if the preferred source for RFCs 
became a site other than rfc-editor.org.    (Which, for all I know, 
might already be the case.)

Keith