Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, onwards
Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> Mon, 23 May 2016 19:23 UTC
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From: Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com>
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Subject: Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, onwards
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Hi - >From: Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> >Sent: May 23, 2016 8:14 AM >To: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org> >Subject: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, onwards > > >(Not speaking for the IAOC, which does owe Ted a response, but offering >some of my own perspective of the meta issues in this discussion). > >Again, I see 2 burning issues here: > >1/ what do we want to consider appropriate meeting sites going forward, >and > >2/ what to do with IETF 100/Singapore Though I understand the concerns expressed, particularly for families traveling with children (look at the cases under litigation by Lambda Legal or NCLR in the US to see why folks sorry about these things) as well as the "it's 2016 already" argument, if I had any need to go to IETF 100, I'd happily travel to Singapore, and my husband would insist on joining me there. The last time we were there it was our port of disembarkation from a gay cruise, so we arrived along with hundreds of other gay men and a handful of women. Though the legal situation there may be analogous to pre-2003 Texas, as tourists we felt far safer and more comfortable there than we would in many places in the US in 2016. Though I'm occasionally mistaken for a straight man, many of our fellow travellers did not have the benefit of "passing privilege", yet I'm not aware of anyone of our group encountering any consequent problems in Singapore. So while I see the selection of Singapore is a definite "oops", I don't think the effort / expense of changing the venue would be worthwhile. Randy
- A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, o… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Randy Presuhn
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Alissa Cooper
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Stephen Farrell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ted Hardie
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Stephen Farrell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Jari Arkko
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Adam Roach
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Adam Roach
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michael Richardson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ben Campbell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… George Michaelson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Randy Bush
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… John C Klensin
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michael Richardson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Sandoche Balakrichenan
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michal Krsek