Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt

"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Thu, 21 October 2021 13:36 UTC

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I fully agree with Keith on this.

Yours,
Joel

On 10/21/2021 12:21 AM, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 10/20/21 8:54 PM, John Levine wrote:
> 
>> It sure seems like "we don't believe nomcoms will pick the right 
>> people so we are inventing more rules."
>>
>> I agree with Barry that a convention not to appoint someone for more 
>> than N years is fine, but if we
>> then think we need a stick to force nomcoms to do that, we have 
>> problems that term limits won't solve.
> 
> On balance, I think this is right.   Also, I have seen some ADs that I 
> thought served too long, but I don't see a correlation between the 
> quality of past ADs and either the length of their terms or the number 
> of "gap years".
> 
> If we think we need more churn in ADs, the solution is some combination 
> of finding/grooming more good candidates and making it easier for people 
> to serve, so that the nomcom has better candidates to choose from.   I'm 
> pretty sure the solution is NOT to paint the nomcom into a corner - they 
> have plenty of constraints already.
> 
> Keith
> 
>