Re: [OAUTH-WG] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 23 February 2021 22:11 UTC

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From: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:11:03 -0500
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "oauth@ietf.org" <oauth@ietf.org>
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:57 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:

>
>
> > On 24 Feb 2021, at 2:20 am, Kathleen Moriarty <
> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > And way back when I was AD, OAuth was by far the most productive working
> group I managed.  They put out what felt like about 3 documents a meeting
> for full publication.  I was the AD for 3 years, ending in 2017 when EKR
> became an AD.
> >
> > There was a bit of management as a result of the number of experts and
> varying use cases for their environments, but even with that, OAuth was
> very productive.  Since your document was 2016, I was likely the AD.  Yes,
> the meetings had challenges at times, but we worked through it and things
> got done.
>
> Measuring productivity through the number of documents published is not a
> good habit for us to get into;


The number of documents published was in response to a comment that
"nothing would get done" at the OAuth WG. Which is clearly not true.


> it gives incentive to all of the wrong kinds of behaviours.


Can you elaborate on these wrong behaviours?

Regards,
 Rifaat


> Having some success metrics for our work has come up in the IAB a few
> times, but we haven't made much progress.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
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