Re: I-D Action: draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis-19.txt

Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Tue, 10 January 2017 21:05 UTC

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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:05:47 -0500
From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
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Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis-19.txt
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Uh, _this_ time I'm copying trustees.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:47:10PM -0800, Bob Hinden wrote:
> 
> http://www.iana.org
> 
> It says:
> 
> "The global coordination of the DNS Root, IP addressing, and other Internet protocol resources is performed as the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) functions.”
> 

Their web page _doesn't_ abbreviate it as "IANA".  It says "the IANA
functions", and it also says, "As of 1 October 2016, the IANA
functions are being provided …". It talks about "IANA functions", not "IANA".  

I believe that the IETF Trust's legal counsel agrees about this, but I
am copying the Trust to confirm.  In any case, see restriction 5 under
exhibit D of
http://trustee.ietf.org/documents/License_Agreement09-21-2016Protocolclean.htm.
Since the new document did not exist as of the Effective Date, we
should follow those rules.

Finally,

> If their web page can abbreviate this as “IANA”, then I think we can as well.

the problem with trademarks is that normally-sensible things that one
can do with language are just now allowed.  So one's sense of these
things is no guide, only one's lawyer's sense.

Best regards,

A

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Andrew Sullivan
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