Re: Venue Selection Objectives and Criteria was Re: Hotel situation
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From: "George, Wes" <wesley.george@twcable.com>
To: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>
Subject: Re: Venue Selection Objectives and Criteria was Re: Hotel situation
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Ray, I really appreciate this info, I think it goes a long way to explain the challenges the IAOC and IAD face in meeting our needs for space. I have a few clarifying questions, inline below. On 12/18/15, 3:49 PM, "ietf on behalf of Ray Pelletier" <ietf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote: > >The following are the objectives desired in the selection of an IETF >meeting venue: > > 1. Advancing standards development > 2. Facilitating participation by active contributors > 3. Encouraging new contributors > 4. Sharing the travel pain; balancing travel time and expense across >the regions from >where IETF participants are based. > >The is the list of the criteria that is evaluated when selecting a venue. >This is not in any priority order. WG] Are these primary objectives and the below criteria published anywhere (other than our email archive)? The IAOC Venue Selection page has links to two slide presentations that do not cover this information specifically, so I believe the answer to be no. I think that it should be present on that page. Other questions that should be clearly answered on that page: How are these criteria defined, updated, rationalized, and by whom? Is there an objective evaluation method so that we can see how well IAOC feels a given venue meets those stated criteria? Perhaps the IAOC should formally review these priorities with the community periodically (via a survey or meeting discussion) to ensure that they are optimizing for the right set of variables. Consensus will of course be rough, but making that method for providing input available to those not on IAOC provides a very useful method for feedback so that people feel like their concerns are being heard and the process is more transparent. Like it or not, that review happens informally every time you get a bunch of questions when people aren't happy with the venue, hotel availability, etc. so let's just acknowledge that it's important and plan accordingly. >4. The Guest Rooms at the headquarters hotel must be sufficient >in number, have an adequate network, or the Hotel will accept >the IETF network, and within close proximity to venue. WG] "sufficient in number" needs further definition, including the internal carving of any block for IETF staff and volunteer leadership. For example, identifying goals in terms of total number of rooms across all hotels, rooms in HQ hotel, etc, maybe expressed as a percentage of past attendance. Since IETF room blocks also tend to have different rates/classes of room, the desired ratio of standard rooms vs upgraded rooms (or as others have noted, how that is affected by block reservations for I* as a percentage of available rooms). > >6. The Cost of guest rooms, meeting space, food and beverage >must be affordable. WG] affordable should be clearly defined. I've heard in the past we try to stick to the US Gov't per diem standards, but I'm not sure if that's a hard rule or not. Given the problems we've had finding venues in Asia, and previous discussion that partially blames room rates for this, understanding what the IAOC considers an unacceptable threshold for room rates is important, including the above consideration about the types of rooms and their cost differential. Additionally, when dealing with venues that are both hotel and conference center, there is always a relationship between the room block rate and the cost of meeting space, catering, etc (see examples elsewhere about IEEE offering a registration discount to those staying in the venue room block and thus subsidizing the cost of meeting space). While we can't publicly disclose individual contracts, the intended balance between these costs should be clearly stated, since it has direct effect on the registration fees vs other costs, and is something that the community should be able to provide feedback on. > >9. Travel is a consideration, ease of access and number of >hops. Travel to the venue should be reasonably acceptable >based on cost, time, and burden for participants traveling from >multiple regions. Also, are there other travel barriers to >entry, e.g., visas? WG] Above, you also mention "sharing travel pain" as a primary objective. Is this a quantitative goal, or a qualitative one i.e. just generally trying to maintain fairness through 1-1-1? We have good data on where IETF participants are coming from. Seems that we could estimate the average cost or time of travel from the top N source locations or regions (e.g. APAC, AUS/NZ, {Eastern, Central, Western}-{North America, Europe}, SA to get a sense of how well we're doing over time. I don't want suggest needless analysis, as I know this takes work, but I do think that it may help IAOC to put some numerical justification behind our choices, especially when people cry foul because we're "always making them travel long/expensive distances to participate" - this is an area where a lot of assertions are made with largely anecdotal evidence to support them, and having real numbers helps. This would also provide good justification if we end up returning to a smaller set of destinations repeatedly if they can be shown to be a good balance of time and travel cost for the majority of the IETF participant base. 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